Eutidem
- Idioma:
- anglès
- Traducció:
- Benjamin Jowett
- Completesa:
- Obra completa
- Autoria:
- Escrita per l'autor
- Estat del text:
- Sense soroll d'escaneig detectat (mesura automàtica sobre tot el text, no revisada a mà)
- Extensió:
- ~15.800 paraules · 75 passatges
Cita aquesta obra
- APAPlató. (n.d.). Euthydemus [Eutidem] (Benjamin Jowett, Trans.). Digital reproduction: SigPhi. https://sigphiai.com/ca/works/plato/euthydemus
- MLAPlató. Euthydemus [Eutidem]. Translated by Benjamin Jowett. Digital reproduction, SigPhi, https://sigphiai.com/ca/works/plato/euthydemus.
- ChicagoPlató. Euthydemus [Eutidem]. Translated by Benjamin Jowett. Digital reproduction, SigPhi. https://sigphiai.com/ca/works/plato/euthydemus.
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De què tracta
Dos germans sofistes fan una exhibició d'arguments trampa i deixen l'interlocutor sense sortida amb pura equivocació verbal. Sòcrates hi contraposa una conversa de debò.
Context i història
És el diàleg més còmic de Plató i alhora el més tècnic: els sofismes que s'hi exhibeixen són casos reals d'ambigüitat lògica, i alguns encara surten als manuals. La comèdia hi té una funció, que és fer veure la diferència entre guanyar una discussió i entendre alguna cosa.
Context editorial, no una font citable: a diferència dels passatges de l'obra, aquestes dades no es poden contrastar amb el corpus.
And they are the teachers of those who learn--the grammar-master and the lyre-master used to teach you and other boys; and you were the learners? Yes. And when you were learners you did not as yet know the things which you were learning? No, he said. And were you wise then? No, indeed, he said. But if you were not wise you were unlearned? Certainly. You then, learning what you did not know, were unlearned when you were learning? The youth nodded assent. Then the unlearned learn, and not the wise, Cleinias, as you imagine. At these words the followers of Euthydemus, of whom I spoke, like a chorus at the bidding of their director, laughed and cheered. Then, before the youth had time to recover his breath, Dionysodorus cleverly took him in hand, and said: Yes, Cleinias; and when the grammar-master dictated anything to you, were they the wise boys or the unlearned who learned the dictation? The wise, replied Cleinias. Then after all the wise are the learners and not the unlearned; and your last answer to Euthydemus was wrong. Then once more the admirers of the two heroes, in an ecstasy at their wisdom, gave vent to another peal of laughter, while the rest of us were silent and amazed. Euthydemus, observing this, determined to persevere with the youth; and in order to heighten the effect went on asking another similar question, which might be compared to the double turn of an expert dancer. Do those, said he, who learn, learn what they know, or what they do not know? Again Dionysodorus whispered to me: That, Socrates, is just another of the same sort. Good heavens, I said; and your last question was so good! Like all our other questions, Socrates, he replied--inevitable. I see the reason, I said, why you are in such reputation among your disciples. Meanwhile Cleinias had answered Euthydemus that those who learned learn what they do not know; and he put him through a series of questions the same as before. Do you not know letters?…