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Gorgias

Platon

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  • APAPlaton. (n.d.). Gorgias. Digital reproduction: SigPhi. https://sigphiai.com/fr/works/plato/gorgias
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De quoi il s'agit

Contre les maîtres de rhétorique : si l'orateur persuade sans savoir, que vend-il au juste ? Le dialogue tourne vers la question plus grave de savoir s'il vaut mieux commettre l'injustice ou la subir.

Contexte et histoire

Le dialogue où Socrate dit qu'il préférerait subir l'injustice que la commettre, et où Calliclès rétorque que la justice est une invention des faibles pour brider les forts — un argument que Nietzsche reprendra vingt-trois siècles plus tard. La discussion la plus dure de Platon sur le pouvoir.

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the art of politics, which attends on the soul, having a legislative part and a judicial part; and another art attending on the body, which has no generic name, but may also be described as having two divisions, one of which is medicine and the other gymnastic. Corresponding with these four arts or sciences there are four shams or simulations of them, mere experiences, as they may be termed, because they give no reason of their own existence. The art of dressing up is the sham or simulation of gymnastic, the art of cookery, of medicine; rhetoric is the simulation of justice, and sophistic of legislation. They may be summed up in an arithmetical formula:— Tiring: gymnastic:: cookery: medicine:: sophistic: legislation. And, Cookery: medicine:: rhetoric: the art of justice. And this is the true scheme of them, but when measured only by the gratification which they procure, they become jumbled together and return to their aboriginal chaos. Socrates apologizes for the length of his speech, which was necessary to the explanation of the subject, and begs Polus not unnecessarily to retaliate on him. “Do you mean to say that the rhetoricians are esteemed flatterers?” They are not esteemed at all. “Why, have they not great power, and can they not do whatever they desire?” They have no power, and they only do what they think best, and never what they desire; for they never attain the true object of desire, which is the good. “As if you, Socrates, would not envy the possessor of despotic power, who can imprison, exile, kill any one whom he pleases.” But Socrates replies that he has no wish to put any one to death; he who kills another, even justly, is not to be envied, and he who kills him unjustly is to be pitied; it is better to suffer than to do injustice. He does not consider that going about with a dagger and putting men out of the way, or setting a house on fire, is real power.…

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